Subject: Fwd: Re: Your ****** Page
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 15:31:17 PDT
>From: S. H. <scott@******>
>Subject: Re: Your ****** Page
>In-Reply-To: <email@example.com> from
at "Apr 11, 98 10:30:41 am"
>To: m_zeman@[.NoSpamBots].hotmail.com (Mark Zeman)
>Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:50:22 -0400 (EDT)
> I spoke to Geocities again,
and the other providers that had pages
>of the GC webring. All of the other pages have been removed
>Webring is about to be deleted. You are right, this is sad,
>to enforce the law when it suits them. I talked with my
lawyer and he
>said it would be best and safest if you dropped it totally.
Here's the reason,
> You mention that GC removed
pages based on religious, cultural, sex
>basis, which may be true, but you can't prove it. Now, if
they sue you
>for slander, they can easily prove that out of the 30 million
>on their site, there are X number of cultural, religous, sex pages.
>if those pages are there because they never found them before,
>them to prove you slandered them. Like I always say, 'who
ever has the most
>money will win'. If you chose to put your pages back up
you would have
>to remove those statements to protect yourself, and not even hint
>provider you are talking about.
> The only thing that is left
is newsgroups. Forget about webpages,
>far more people read newsgroups, and you can post from an anonymous
>account, make one up at www.dejanews.com. You will find
>to post to. You can even go as far as to make a newsgroup,
there is no way
>GC can have a newsgroup removed. (and if they can, there
>severely wrong.. well, there already is). Consipiracy newsgroups
>be perfect for this.
> This reminds me of when Microsoft
sued IBM over some little piece
>of code. All IBM did was release every piece of information
>code, IBM released 10 000 new pages of documents every day for
>until Microsoft just gave up, they couldn't afford to keep the
>GC can do something very similar, if they do try to sue you, even
>never gets to court, they can keep the pre-court precedings stretched
>over such a long period of time that it will cost you hundreds
> But, as I believe, what goes
around comes around. GC has gone too far,
>I have had friends kicked off GC for no reason before and had
>their lawyers send to them. GC will get what they deserve,
it may not be
>for 3 or 5 or 10 years, but the day will come. The have
done this to
>so many people.
>Good luck. Do you wish me to remove the geocensor account?
You can sign
>up for a new one.
>> Thanks for letting me know about Canada's law and Geo's intentions.
>> was quick, the page's been up maybe 48 hours and I'm already
>> If they are going to get this serious about things I may be
>> just not bothering, because I don't have a lot of money to burn
>> I was wondering, would something like Geoc*ties or GC (initials
>> within legal limits? I've seen people doing this before to stay
>> with trademark laws in the States, but don't know how it works
>> internationally. Another question, is 'GeoCensored' really illegal
>> put on the page? I can't believe Geo has copyrighted this, and
>> anything I've had it long before them, and www.leatheronline.org
>> it long before me. It's sad how easy it is for them to get their
>> (Also funny that they can selectively forbid the use of their
>> some sites, and *require* it on others...)
>> I'm all ears at this point. I'd like to keep the page and the
>> but since it's based mainly on GC I'll either have to expand
>> general censorship everywhere, or else just give up. Let me
know if you
>> know of any loopholes.
>> >From scott@****** Thu Apr 9 11:42:48 1998
>> >Subject: Your ****** Page
>> >To: m_zeman@[NoSpamBots].hotmail.com
>> >Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:40:08 -0400 (EDT)
>> > You seem to be very popular, I got a call
from Geocities about
>> >your webpage. I have looked at your page, you will notice
>> >seems to be gone right now, it's not, I made a backup copy
of it before
>> >I put up the 'this page is being investigated' page.
>> > As you probably know, ****** is in Canada,
here it is illegal
>> >to post someones name (even company name) without their permission,
>> >to do it in such a way that it might cause the named party
>> >harassing email is even worse. So, unfortunately your
page did break
>> >Canadian law which is why you are getting this email.
(This is not
>> >me squishing your freedom of speech)
>> > I looked at your page and saw their name
on it, but here is the
>> >kicker. Since ****** is Canadian and Geocities is American,
>> >lawsuit they bring against you would be an international crime,
>> >have to be really careful.
>> > If you were to remove any reference to Geocities
from the page
>> >then there would be nothing you would be liable for.
>> >the title however, Geocensor, and the username. I'm having
>> >go over the page to see what all has to be done to keep the
>> >legal limits.
>> > I'm not sure about links (personally I think
this is all legal
>> >crap), GeoCities was smart enough to trademark their name,
>> >you can't write GeoCities without their permission. Simply
>> > Get back to me and we'll see what we can
do to get your page
>> >back online.
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