Subject: macs--read it all
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:50:50 -0400
From: Chris S****** <*****@geocities.com>
Organization: Boston University
To: snicker_page@[NoSpamBots].geocities.com

 
Everybody likes a good laugh, and there are many jokes about Apple
Computer corporation floating about.  But, when these jokes poke fun at
incorrect data about the computers they are simply offensive to any
intelligent computer user and funny to read because I realize how badly
you are embarrassing yourself.  I'm not going to waste much of your time
(because I know that you're biased against Apple and no matter what
truths I clear up for you, you're not going to change anything on your
site) or my time (because it would too long to point out all the false
information on your anti-Mac page alone), so I'll use one example: in
your first section, when you, using a Geocities free web page, are
bashing Apple, the makers of some of the most cutting edge computer
technology is use, say that most macs can't boot from a floppy.  There
only are 3 reasons why _any_ mac would be unable to boot from a specific
floppy, and none of them have to do with inferior disk drives: first,
the disk you put in the disk drive is not a valid boot disk.  That means
that it does not have the required system software.  Second, you have
put the disk in too late and the computer has already scanned the SCSI
bus and found a valid boot disk, whose sytem it has already started to
load into memory.  And third (this is the reason that you are probably
talking about without knowing), Macs are so superior that they can have
their ability to boot from floppy disks turned off, so no matter how
many times you ignorantly shove a floppy into the drive, the computer
will not use it.  Why is it an advantage to be able to toggle the floppy
disk boot feature?  When, as in my school, you have a huge lab of Macs
(of many generations) and you want to limit the student's privelages,
booting the computer from a floppy that a student brings to school will
overide all security limitations placed on the computer.  To prevent
this from happening, all the sysadmin has to is turn off the floppy boot
feature.  And this has probably been done on many computers you use.  If
all of these conditions do not exist, then ANY MACINTOSH CAN BOOT FROM A
FLOPPY--period.  Actualy, ANY Macintosh can boot from ANY medium that is
compatable with it: CD-ROM, Zip drives, tape drives, DVD (when it
becomes available), etc.  In 2000 years, if some computer company makes
a satelite that can be used to store personal computer data, you can
boot your Mac from that.  But you also complained about the feasability
of booting your Mac from a floppy: the system's too big.  I don't know
what the hell you thought you were talking about (maybe one of the
massive Windows systems?), but you can fit a fully-functionable MacOS on
a DOUBLE-DENSITY disk; not even a high density!  You can fit a whole
MacOS in 800k of disk space, and that's a fact--of course, you're not
limited to 800k of space for your system.  Mine is 44.2 MB right now,
but it also answers my phone, serves up 1500 hits/day when I have it
running as a server and can compile 10,000 lines of C in 10 seconds.
That's the beauty of the Macintosh operating sytem: it is almost
infinately scalable, and many times more scalable than any Windows
system.  And another fact that I know you didn't know about Macs: on
older systems, in addition to being able to boot from floppy disks,
THERE WAS AN ENTIRE WORKING SYSTEM BURNED INTO ROM, SO IN CASE ALL OF
YOUR DRIVES GOT CORRUPTED YOU COULD STILL BOOT THE COMPUTER JUST FROM
WHAT'S SOLDERED TO THE MOTHERBOARD.  Do you think that could qualify for
being productive while waiting for replacments?  There are many problems
that Apple has but none of them are with technology.  Apple makes the
fastest personal computers in the world!  This is not a brag: the
PowerMac 9600/350mp and the PowerBook 3400c are the fastest desktop and
notebook personal computers in the world.  This has been accepted by the
media, including the PC-only magazines.  Apple isn't fighting with one
arm tied behind it's back anymore: they have far superior technology,
but not as broad a user base as the pc makers.  And they're not doing
too bad for a company that was started to provide an alternative to the
already booming pc buisness.  I'm sorry I had to spend most of this
letter attacking you, but it was necessary to prove my point.  Please
write back--I'm interested in reading a well-thought intelligent reply.

-memimo

Subject: sorry
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 17:55:47 -0400
From: Chris S****** <*****@geocities.com>
Organization: Boston University
To: snicker_page@[NoSpamBots].geocities.com
 

Sorry to write again, but I forgot to include one thing with my other
letter: there was no Recycle bin until Microsoft recently lifited it
from the MacOS "Trash" (and cleverly renamed it "Recycle Bin").  But
since they changed the name, it must have been a totaly new innovation
by Microsoft, right?

-memimo

Okay, good point.

Subject: command-line?
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 1997 18:08:48 -0400
From: Chris S****** <*****@geocities.com>
Organization: Boston University
To: snicker_page@[NoSpamBots].geocities.com
 
 

 And one last thing: you can only nest a file 25 layers deep in windows,
because the 255-character name in diminished in max length each time you
nest it another layer.  And believe me, especialy on web servers, the 25
layer limitation is important:  I have files nested 42 layers deep on my
Mac, and they can still have 31-character names.  Try that in your
awesome DOS (so great, you say, because you don't have to deal with a
GUI.  Oh, that's a real bonus).  Unix beats DOS and Windows in every
way: the comand line interface is the most flexible and powerful around,
and the X-Windows system is thousands of times simpler than and Windows
while still giving you the raw power of Unix.  The Mac GUI beats oll
others in intuitivity and flexibility (42 layers), and wasn't designed
with a comand line because it inhibits productivity.  If they wanted to
add one, I'm sure it would blow DOS out of the water.
 

Don't even ask how I got here, but just know I'm a Mac user, and I'm
proud of it! I suggest you actually look at the new macs out there.
Apple computer makes the fastest personal computer available, running at
350Mhz. I know you Windows users. "That's wrong, there's a 500Mhz
Pentium out there!" Ya right. Is it for sale yet? No! By the way, the
Mac SE, which I noticed you dis a lot on your page, was just as
primitive as your DOS machines which are even worse! By the way, some of
the horse shit on your page isn't even right. Do you think that Apple
would put all of that info on their page without looking at Win 95's
features first? Windows 95 can't handge 255 NAMES! Out of the box,
anyway. And who in the hell would need that much for a name anyway? Oh,
excuse me, pardon my language. Oh what the heck, I'll act like some kind
of a Mac hater and say this to you Windows users....

"WINDOWS SUCKS, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY!!!!"
After all, you ALWAYS say that to us. Go ahead. E-mail me and tell me
how wrong I am. Just try.

-Dan F******
A PROUD MAC USER
WINDOWS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.geocities.com/researchtriangle/lab/1770/

What kind of site is yours, its so twisted and tormented. Who's side are you
on? MAC or PC? It's kind easy to choose MAC!! You said you made the site on
primitive Mac SE, well duh? thats why your complaining! Buy yourself or take a
look at a top of the line mac or mid-range mac from power comp., apple, or
umax. you'll see how sweet they are!
[...]

Have you ever used a Macintosh faster than the decade old 8mhz SE.
I have a Macintosh SE and it is slow. If you had used a more up to date
model like a Power Mac 9600/350 or on of the new G3 models
you page would probably be about how much PCs suck.
 

Hi,
funny page, but not true.
Test a new PowerMacintosh G3 with Mac OS 8.1 and you will find that most on
this page is bullshit. But feel free to use PC if you like, I don't care.

/ Niklas D******,
Macintosh-user,
Stockholm, Sweden
 
 

You *do* seem to have a problem - you keep comparing ancient Macintoshes
with
present-day PC:s! A G3 PowerMac is certainly not sluggish, not even
compared
with the latest Win95-machine. And it's certainly not user-fiendish -
ask me, I've
worked *a lot* with all kinds of machines, unlike almost everyone else
in the
Mac/Wintel-fight.

But it's a bit late on Friday eve... And maybe a bit too much of
Soave... I'll keep in
touch.

/Peter etc.

Subject: simple questions
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:20:37 +0000
From: Lars-Erik <******@goteborg.mail.telia.com>
Organization: mail1.telia.com
To: bgip@ix.[NoSpamBots].netcom.com
 

"Judging from the Mac we used to have"?
when was that? Ten years ago?
Lars-Erik G******, Gothenburg, Sweden
 

 FLAME WAR!!!

This EMAIL is Huge.   Sorry, I got carried away.

Okay, you asked for Mac Backlash, and I'm here to supply it.

(BTW, I'm a member of the Mac Jihad, an untiring, unreasonable front
line between a real operating system and the rest of the world.)

(& btw #2, thanx for the good words on OS8.   It's fantastic).
 

On the subject of SE's:

#1   Mac vs Bucket of Shit.    Obviously you are being silly here,
however 8088 Vs. Bucket of Shit?   Trick question.   8088 is a bucket of
shit.
 

#2   Brontosaurus Vs. Mac.    Brontosaurus is not a real creature.
It's a misclassification that's been corrected.   However, you're point
is speed.   Mac SE running system 6.0 to 7.0 boots in 5 seconds.  8088's
didn't boot in 5 seconds.   Pent II's don't boot in 5 seconds.   How is
this a slow system?
 

#3   "Why did the retarded guy buy a mac?  What do you mean, they're all
retarded?"   -  Man that's a good one.   Wait.  Let me go buy a PC.

And
then I'll pay for an operating system.

Then I'll pay for a monitor
card.

Then I'll get an additional 3d card so my monitor will really work.
Then I'll go buy a sound card.   And more ram.   And a second HD
so I can fit something other than my operating system. And now a
SCSI card so I can access real peripherals at anything like speed.

And a
Network card so I can communicate with other users.

 
Now, I'll pay for

my Windows training class.   Then save up and buy an upgrade for my
system.     Oh wait, I'm out of IRQ's.   Shit, there goes my Network
card, but I didn't need it anyway.

Wow, that only took three years,
and cost me four times as much as my Mac friend.   Now, I've got a suped
up Nintendo, and my "retarded" Mac friend has a computer, a playstation,
and a car.
 

#4  "... the PC boxes are too hard to open."   Now, I'm really lost.  In
the Holy War, one of the standard PC weapons is ease of getting into the
box.  (Nevermind the fact the the Mac box is snap open).  But why would
you want to buy a computer that you couldn't get into>

#5  "Most turds aren't gray."   Lost me there.   Mac's (iMac, 20th
Aniversery, and McTV excluded) are beige.   Pc's are beige or gray.
What's the point?  Oh, wait, the point is that Mac's are Turds.  I see.
And 8088's are what, power computers?  What were you Pc guys using in
'85?   Proto Dos?  Text interface, very impressive.

#6  "Switching teams..."    Point:  Mac users are gay.   Counter point:
At least they are getting laid.   Why are there 2 buttons on a PC mouse?
The PC users are busy with the other hand.   (Shaking hands with the
unemployed /  Checking connections on their software dongle  /   Trying
to clear the BIOS)

#7   The Cement Joke.   Come on.   Using a <fill in name> joke demeans
us both.

#8   Make a mac go faster...   Again.   SE - 5 second boot.   G3 fasted
system out there.   G4 is going to be on the market in a couple of
months.   Oh, it's okay, don't cry.  The PII can still do some math.
Some.

#9   Mac User at the party.   Hey, at least we can word process on our
computers.

#10  Pissing off your neighbors by ejecting disks.    This would work.
Especially if your neighbors were mouth breathing PC users.  They would
be enraged with Envy while they clutch their poor index fingers, bloody
from having to mash the eject button over and over again.

#11  The Mac start up chime ain't nothing comparied the the Windows
sonar beep.    PING PING PING.

#12  Why aren't more Mac owners computer literate, they would be if they
owned a computer.    Okay, which part of FASTER, STRONGER, EASIER is
confusing to you?   2+2 = almost 4.   Great Pent, that's a real help.

#13  Again with the speed.   FASTER FASTER FASTER.

#14  LISA vs the GameBoy.   You're right.  The gameboy is also a hell of
a light lighter and cheaper.   Oh, and it came out nearly a decade
later.   What's the difference between a Casio Graphing calculator and a
8088.   The calculator has a processor, ram and the ability to compute
numbers.

#15  Can't turn it on?   You're out in space on this one.   Mac's
originated the one button concept.  Not to mention the keyboard power
button.   Pc's just follow suit.   Pathetic

#16  Mac user in the store talking about HD speed.   Whoa, are you
misinformed.   INTERNAL SCSI CHAIN.  Not IDE.   We're faster than you.
Always have been, always will be.

#17  Mac disk drive access faster.   Wind it up again.   Cute, but weak.
This in another one of those <fill in name> jokes.  FDD's are the same
everywhere.

#18  What to do with an obsolete Mac.   Don't buy it.   2 counter points
here.   Mac's retain their value better than other computers, because
they continue to work.  I have friends with PB's that are two years old
and useless.   You could have designed your webpage on your SE.   The
other point is in your favor.  Where the hell are you finding Mac's on
the shelf?   Can you send me the address?  I can't find any here.

#19  Change a light bulb.   How many PC users does it take to change a
light bulb.   Surprisingly, the number is also 4.   1 to change the
light bulb, and three to earn the cash to buy the Lightbulb.exe patch
from Microsoft.

#20   SE's in use.   Let's take a poll.  Having worked the Apple support
line, I can tel you that there are a shitload of SE's out there, running

(BTW: Due to the length of this mail (yes, somebody had a LOT of time on their hands) I won't be making comments on every point...)

hardwired houses, managing stores, designing school newspapers.
Meanwhile, the 8088's , with their FLOPPY floppy drives are doing what?
Nothing.   It's sorry.   I don't see any 8088 web pages because all the
8088 owners are on their 4th or 5th computer since then.   That's a lot
of money.
 

TOP USES:

These all apply for 8088's and you know it.   What's worse is they also
apply for 386's and 486's and the Pent 1's.   Does W98 run on a Pent 1?
 

The Apple List:

"we couldn't find any pro-mac sights written by mac users..."

What are you blind?   Yahoo has a whole catagory called Mac vs PC, it
lists like 50 pro mac sights.

On the issue of disk ejection:
Of course you have to quit programs that are running from a disk before
the computer will spit out the disk.  If you ran a program from a floppy
on a pc and pulled it out, your computer would choke.  (Point is moot
though as the windows fatware guarentees that no PC program could fit on
1 disk).

Disks do get stuck in the computer when there is no power.   Also the
computer doesn't work when there is no power, so it's not like you're
going to be using the disk for anything, are you.

 

On booting from a floopy:
If the disk got spit out it's not a bootable floppy.  How about booting
from a CD.   PC's still can't do that.

Too bad.   But, I guess you can
fit your entire recovery program on a 1.4 floppy right.

Hate to see
your tool box.   1 screwdriver, 2 nails and rock and a pointy stick.
Stay away from my car.

The "most mac's can't boot from a floppy" is blatently false.  Name one
mac that couldn't.   Only the iMac can't boot from a floppy, because
it's floppiless.   You out of bounds.

On the mouse:
None of you windows 95 users remember installing the mouse driver
because w95 is a dumbed down version of the Mac OS.  Ever drag your
trash can to the right and your start bar to the top.   Hmm, look
familiar?

You're defending your stance by saying that Apple is pointing at W31,
but you're running a web site about the Mac SE circa 85-86.   Get off
your high horse.

And your comments about the hotswapping of the mouse.    1)  Mac's have
reset buttons.

2)  I don't know what you did, but that wasn't the
mouse button.   Besides, saying, "My mac won't hot swap the mouse
either", doesn't make the mouse hot swapable in windows.   Ever unplug
the mouse in w98.   I guess they are still working on that one.

On recycling:
Cute comment, but useless.   It's not like the PC has a big piles of 1's
and 0's that it draws from.   Oh, shit, I'm wicked low on 1's, can you
throw some on a floppy disk for me, Zeek.    Sure thing, Earl.

On backspace / undo:
Apparently, you are unfamiliar with Undo.   Undo allows you to undo a
function.  Backspace moves the cursor backwards over text to erase a
letter.   Don't worry, keep using computers, and the little things will
become like second nature.

On the use of the trash can on your computer:
First, don't trash stuff you need.   Second, don't empty the trash if
you need it.   Third, use Unerase to get that shit back.

On the DON'T OPEN THE CASE warrenty:
Yes, on the SE, you weren't supposed to open the cases.  Then again, at
the time RAM cost like $5k for a meg.   People weren't supposed to
upgrade their computers.

But things change.   Ram got cheaper, users proved to be only slightly
smarter than bugs, and have been allowed to monkey around in the wires
and PC's have increased their 640k convential memory restriction to....
Oops  640k.   I guess you guys still have less than a Meg for actually
computer brainpower.   Too bad.

On the GUI:
I'd like to see you drop to DOS and run your W98 applications.   That'd
be a real hoot.

On long names:
Yes, W95 has increased the length in names.   Too bad a mac file named
"NEW NEWS!"  Would have to be called "New NewsExclaimationpoint" on your
versitile Windows machine.   I guess 255 characters seems like a lot,
but remember numbers and letters only.

On extensions:
"my old mac"    Why is it all your points are about "my old mac".

When
I open up my HD, I have a differnet icon for text documents written with
different programs.   And the computer remembers where they came from,
goes and opens that program for me.   Or, if I've deleted teh program,
it grabs the next compatable one.   I can see how .txt really helps you
out.

On the Dumb quote:
"You're jealous because you're reset button is worn out".   I guess he's
implying that Pc's have to be reset a lot.   I haven't really seen that
to be true.  They do have to restarted a lot, but I'm not going to throw
any stones there.

About my spelling:    I'm not a great speller.  Or speler.  Or whatever.
If I made mistakes, I'm sorry.

About the flame page:
I hate the Mac users that have gone rogue.   If they aren't a Mac Marine
or a Member of the Mac Jihad, they aren't always with the program.
That first guy is way too long winded.   He's very dry.   He's not
funny, and he made the cardinal mistake.   You don't prove Mac is great
by bring up how great Unix is, dipshit.

The second guy overlooked the point that the 350Mhz mac is faster han
the 500mhz PII.   Backside cache is where it's at.   the phony email
address just proves he's a FLAMEr, he may even be Jihad.

The third guy was confused by your Made With MAC & CHEESE icon.  He's
what we call Cattle.
 

That's about it.  Hey, write me back.  I'm bored shitless.
 

The Duckman
 
1 last BTW:   I'm working for HP tech support now, having been downsized
during the recent Apple unpleasantness.   If you want to talk idiot
users, you just let me know.