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Background: It just so happens
I'm doing something with my Registry, in the Run/RunServices
section... and what to my wondering eyes do appear, but a reference to
a particularly nasty adware trojan named TSADBOT.
Knowing what it is, what it does, and that it SHOULDN'T be there, I immediately
delete the adware trojan (from DOS mode--I don't think you can kill it
in Windows [sharing violation]) and replaced it with a batch file that
was supposed to copy the first message, below, into my Netscape mail queue
at regular intervals and send it to abuse@+conducent.com. I was extremely
PO'd because I would NEVER install this type of software, and so (theoretically)
would not have TSADBOT infesting my system.
To: abuse@+conducent.com
Subj: A message to Conducent. To whom it may concern: This message has been sent by CXMAILBOT, a Trojan Horse detection utility. An application named TSADBOT, which CXMAILBOT's records indicate your company is responsible for, has attempted an unauthorized network connection, which is why you are receiving this message. Since it's obvious you want to hear from me periodically, each time your software loads and attemps to establish a network connection to transmit data behind the user's back, this email will be transmitted in its place. "Since I am a privacy-conscious individual and would immediately remove any Trojan Horse existing on my system, it can be reasonably assumed that I am unaware that TSADBOT has been installed on my system. Fortunately, since I am a privacy-conscious individual I have also taken steps to protect my system--such as avoiding the use of any "Adware" products, installing anti-virus software, and using Trojan detectors such as CXMAILBOT." CXMAILBOT has sent you this message to give you an opportunity to correct your mistake and inform this user of the software that has been installed on their system without their knowledge. If you don't want to hear from this user periodically, you will provide them with an uninstall utility that will remove all traces of the TSADBOT software. Since the CXMAILBOT antitrojan will still be running when/if an uninstaller is run, it will monitor activity which is not conducent to an uninstaller, such as snooping around the hard drive, replacement (not removal) of any files, or unauthorized network connections (in other words, don't try anything funny). It is hoped that you will remedy this situation as quickly as possible. Regards,
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At this point, I should probably confess my fibs before getting to Conducent's replies. There is no such thing as CXMAILBOT.EXE that monitors adware behavior, so don't ask me for a copy. I made it up. The mail was instead sent by the cheapo batch file mentioned above--which, incidentally, didn't work quite as expected (Conducent got only ONE copy of the message, not the veritable mailbomb I was hoping for ):
In a day or two I got a reply
from someone (apparently, a PR marketdroid) by the name of Robert Regular.
It sure looks like a form-letter to me, something which I was careful to
address in my reply--it would suggest that Conducent gets a lot of messages
containing similar gripes, and that the mailer-daemon may even be set up
to pick up on certain words (tsadbot, privacy, lawyer, etc) and spit out
the reply accordingly. Lines in red indicate
known false statements, as explained in more detail below and on the Adware
page.
From: "Robert Regular" <regularr@+conducent.com>
Subj: RE: A message to Conducent. Hi, Thank you for your feedback. We appologize for any concern that
this may
Conducent provides technology to software publishers that enables
them to
Our technology delivers ads from our server to the ad-enabled application
I assure you that we are in NO way collecting
personal data or hurting your
If you would like to remove this from your
computer simply uninstall the
Thank you for your feedback. Best Regards, Conducent
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Although I didn't hilight
it in red, I would tend to differ with Conducent's definition of "FREE"
software. Additionally, the mail made no mention of my unique situation
nor acknowledged the "fact" that the outgoing mail was auto-submitted.
Had I not crafted that message myself, I would have no idea why some company
named Conducent was sending me an out-of-the-blue email about privacy,
and I would probably have reported it back to abuse@ as spam. So I wrote
them back, playing dumb, and demanded a personal reply to four unique privacy/etc.
concerns (beware--it is a loooong message!) :
To: regularr@+conducent.com
Subj: Re: RE: A message to Conducent. Hello (again?) I was a bit confused at first, but now I think I know what's going on. After your (seemingly unsolicited) message yesterday, I did a little research on the TSADBOT trojan and the "antitrojan" app that first alerted me to it. From what I understand, and please correct me if I am wrong, the TSADBOT is installed as a condition of using certain software titles, e.g. "Advertising-Supported Shareware". The problem here lies in the fact that I prefer not to deal with unsolicited advertisement, not to mention the relevant privacy issues, and have *never* installed any of these applications. Frankly, I am at a loss to explain how your TSADBOT application arrived on my machine. Further digging led me to a Registry key named [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeSink,
Inc.\AdGateway\Channels\BzeFit].
I understand your business model and have nothing against it for those who wish to be a part of it. However, the license agreement that was presented to me by the unknown installer *in no way* disclosed the fact that the software I was about to install would secretly install an advertising trojan onto my system--in fact, no mention of advertising *whatsoever* was readily apparent. This is a non-sequitir in this particular case, as I recognized the name "Conducent" and, having previously read about your connection with the advertising trojan, IMMEDIATELY DECLINED the license agreement, NOT installing the software, and terminated the installer. As you may know, most modern installers present an EULA (End-User License Agreement), stating the conditions of the software use, which must be agreed to by the user before the software can be installed. Declining the EULA declines the installation of the software and terminates the installer. This leaves four (4) unaddressed issues that I would like addressed satisfactorily and in a timely manner. These issues are as follows: (1) You have made the claim that "The software publisher informs the user of this activity [TSADBOT functions] during installation in the 'user agreement'." However, no advertising functions are mentioned in the EULA, or are mentioned in such a cryptic and indirect manner that no reasonable user would be fully aware of their significance. Further, this statement is openly misleading about the nature of the software: While the implication is that the advertising functions are tied to the program, the TSADBOT is in fact a separate application, which is automatically and *secretly* loaded as a background process every time the computer is started, performs its functions *whether or not the advertising-supported software is running*, and remains installed and continues to perform these functions *even after the advertising-supported software has been uninstalled*. I have done some research and found *numerous* reports of the TSADBOT software persisting after deinstallation of the host application, applying to numerous separate software titles. In other words, this is *not* a problem relating to a particular title and cannot be blamed on the developer. I would like this issue, false and misleading statements regarding the software and in the EULA, personally addressed by yourself or another member of the Conducent company. (2) While you make the claim that the TSADBOT trojan is installed
alongside host software, this is not the case. Upon execution of an "infected"
installer, the TSADBOT is *immediately* written to the user's hard
disk, and Registry keys are *immediately* created which cause the
trojan to automatically load each time the user starts his or her computer.
This fact is borne out by a group of security experts I have contacted,
who have used low-level (3) Your initial message seemed to indicate that I had personally contacted you with "feedback" (expressing "concerns"), and looked very much like a form letter (which would tend to indicate that I am not the first to have expressed "concerns" of this nature.) Your reply quoted a message indicating it was sent by CXMAILBOT, a free Trojan Horse detection utility I installed a couple days ago. I contacted the author of this detection software to find out more about the TSADBOT and what steps, if any, the detector had taken to remedy the problem. When installed, the software indicated that it had found the TSADBOT trojan and could find no legitimate reason for it to be there--that is, there is no advertising-supported software on this system which would require the TSADBOT to be legitimately installed. It then asked if I would like to relocate the TSADBOT.EXE file and dereference it from the Registry's Run key, an option I accepted. While the detector, being a private beta release, did not come with documentation, the author was kind enough to explain how it sends a series of e-mail notifications (using a return e-mail address specified by the user) to the parties responsible for the trojan, and provided a copy of the message that was sent (matching the message quoted in your reply). From what I can tell, this message is very clear in its request that you inform the user of what has been placed on his or her system and furnish a method of removing all traces of it. Although I was already aware of what TSADBOT does at the time of detection, this detection software seems clearly aimed at users who are not. Your mail explained neither *what* was secretly installed on my system, *why* it was installed, nor what its purpose is. Was the reply I received a form letter, or perhaps an automated response which picked up on certain keywords (privacy, TSADBOT, trojan, etc.) and sent a reply? If not, then why was it assumed that I was personally expressing concerns, even though the CXMailBot's original message clearly states that it has been auto-generated and that the end-user is unaware of it? I would like this issue, the (lack of) notification of what TSADBOT is and what it does, even after being requested to provide this information, personally addressed by yourself or another member of the Conducent company. (4) The CXMailBot message also requests that the end-user be provided with a method of completely removing the TSADBOT software. While CxMailBot relocated and replaced the TSADBOT.EXE binary, other portions of the software remain untouched, including several directories and cryptic Registry entries. Your initial response indicates to "simply uninstall the >ad-enabled application", however, since the application was never installed [as indicated in point (1)], no method of uninstalling the "ad-enabled application" is available. The original installer is also unavailable, although why anyone should have to accept a questionable EULA and *install* unwanted software before being provided the opportunity to remove an advertising trojan is beyond me. As it stands, how are all components of the advertising trojan itself to be removed from my system? I would like this issue, the process for *complete* removal of the TSADBOT software and all components, personally addressed by yourself or another member of the Conducent company. In addition, I would like to know the exact contents of the (encoded) data stored in the Registry key contained in the second paragraph of this message. Finally, I ask that any "user profiles" that may have been stored on your systems be permanently removed at once. Please provide a list of any identifying information necessary to determine the specific profile(s) to be removed. Thank you very much for your time and consideration. Sincerely,
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This message went ignored
by Conducent. About a week went by, and I sent them another message, below,
indicating my desire to initiate legal action if I could not get the situation
satisfactorily resolved (a copy of the ignored message was attached at
the point marked <original message>. To
ensure accountability I went completely hog-wild with return receipts,
getting hard confirmation that my local mailserver sent the mail, that
Conducent's received it, and when it was read (& by who). Additionally,
I CC'd it to legal@+cexx.org for added effect.
To: regularr@+conducent.com
CC: legal@+cexx.org, abuse@+conducent.com Subj: 2nd Notice regarding TSADBOT trojan on my system. To whom it may concern: This e-mail is a followup to my previous e-mail, which has so far
been
The previous e-mail message was ignored by your staff. Please understand
The original message is repeated below. Please take into consideration
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After all that legal posturing
I finally get (besides a mailboxfull of return receipts) a reply from a
live human:
From: regularr@+conducent.com
Mr. Hebb,
Thank you for your feedback. Let me address your questions individually:
After your (seemingly unsolicited) message yesterday, I did a little
>> My response was sent to you in response to a specific email that
was
Further digging led me to a Registry key [...] issues that I would
like addressed satisfactorily and in a
(1) You have made the claim that "The software publisher informs
the
>> We appreciate your concerns and assure you that we
require/request of all
(2) While you make the claim that the TSADBOT trojan is installed
>> TSADBOT is for the specific purpose of delivering advertising
to
Our intent is not to "Hide" our technology.
As you may know, it is not
(3) Your initial message seemed to indicate that I had personally
>> I believe that you have already indicated that you understand
what
Ed. note #2: Don't tell someone they know exactly what your product does, then proceed to tell them exactly what your product does. Waste of valuable bandwidth & brain time. (4) The CXMailBot message also requests that the end-user be provided
>> Our technology is tied to the host ad-supported application and
is
ONLY
However, now that you wish to uninstall it and are unaware of the
host
kill off tsadbot if availble (Using the CTRL-ALT_DEL
task manager)
remove the C:\Program Files\TimeSink folder remove the registry entry HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\TimeSink remove the registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\TimeSink remove the registry key
If this does not assist you please let me know and I will have a
tech rep
Also, No personal information is acquired about you or your machine.
We
I hope this has been helpful and if you have further questions please
feel
Regards, Bob Robert S.K. Regular Marketing Director
Get the latest FREE software! http://www.conducent.com/download.shtm
Our technology delivers ads from our server to the ad-enabled application
I assure you that we are in NO way collecting personal data or hurting
your
If you would like to remove this from your computer simply uninstall
the
Thank you for your feedback.
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Again, lie-equivalent statements are flagged in red...additionally, my own editorial comments have been interspersed. Now, to tackle the ol' redlines...
Second, the claim that they are not hurting your machine. There is obviously no physical damage to the hardware, no matter what software is run--it's not as though executing more instructions & less idle time will make your CPU die faster. But the ad-trojan, besides wasting disk space, is consuming valuable memory and tying up the processor whenever Windows is running, which means your other programs will be running s-l-o-w-e-r while fighting with TSADBOT for a slice of the CPU pie. While I can't say the actual percentage worse your computer will run with less CPU and less memory, I do know (especially on MY pathetic machine :) that ANY unauthorized trojan eating away at my system resources is Not a Good Thing. Also note that a number of reputable sources, including PC Magazine, have traced system instability issues and program crashes to certain ad-trojans.
To: regularr@+conducent.com
Hello,
> >> We appreciate your concerns and assure you that we require/request
of all
According to your web site, all TSADBOT-enabled apps must be personally
> >> TSADBOT is for the specific purpose of delivering advertising
to
If it were indeed tied as closely with the host application as stated,
>Our intent is not to "Hide" our technology. As you may know,
it is not
True, some applications run "in the background", however, these
are
> >> I believe that you have already indicated that you understand
what
I do now. Upon finding a stealthy Trojan Horse installed on my system
> >> Our technology is tied to the host ad-supported application
and is ONLY
This is BULLSHIT--I thought I had made this point very clear. As
I have
I sincerely doubt it results from any "previous installation", either.
...>Also, No personal information is acquired about you or your
machine.
How can I trust this statement? Several of your other statements
turned
(And no, simply presenting the ASCII representation of the hex data
does
Thank you again for your time. In your next reply, however, please
be
Bill |
It took awhile, but the Conducent
PR machine issued forth another reply with nothing new to say (more damn
backpedalling), but it does sound like they're getting rather annoyed
with me :) (rest assured folks, the feeling is mutual).
From: regularr@+conducent.com
Subj: A message to Conducent. >According to your web site, all TSADBOT-enabled apps must be
personally
** This is correct, but there is human error to account for and
to date we
Quick, quick, slow; quick, quick, slow.... Everybody step along now, as we dance around the issue! This is rather disingenuous; I have myself seen several apps that fail to disclose use of the ad-trojan. Has anyone out there actually found a Conducent app that comes out and says, "Hey! Installing this software will place a stealthy Trojan Horse on your system you can't get rid of. OK to continue?" Of course, even if you choose "NO!", it is installed anyway.... >If it were indeed tied as closely with the host application
as stated,
** The installation before is simply to reduce work for the software
If you cancel installation after it has begun our technology is
already
Erm, how would deleting an unwanted component affect download time? ...OK, folks, we'll see if a less user-hostile "upgrade" is really available next month. This message is dated Fri, 9 Jun 2000. Surfers, start your calendars! >True, some applications run "in the background", however, these
are
** Once again I stress that our intent and purpose is not to hide.
We are
*Sigh* Some people just never learn... >NO. I DID NOT install this software! Loading an
** I do not wish to debate this with you, I simply recommend that
you delete
Good. Am I then free to invoice you for my hours of time spent researching your spyware app, running it under FileMonitor for a dependent-file list, removing the files, cleansing my Registry.... Computer consultant time doesn't come cheap, guys. >You still haven't told me the contents of the encrypted Registry
key(s)
*** I appreciate that you are concerned about your privacy and believe
it or
>Bill
No CC: to legal@+cexx.org. Not a major issue by any means, but perhaps worthy of note. *** I hope I have been helpful. Regards, Bob If hope was horses...
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For a long time, that was
the end of the story. Much later (about 6 months), the following appeared
in my inbox.
From: "Matt *****" <*****@conducent.com>
Subject: Not read: 2nd Notice regarding TSADBOT trojan on my system. Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 11:09:35 -0500 Your message To: abuse@+conducent.com; regularr@+conducent.com
was deleted on 12/21/2000 11:09 AM. Attachment: attach3 (235b) |
Really though, I'm just glad
to be done with these creeps :) And that's about the end of the story so
far. If anything new crops up, I'll add it here. BTW, in light of this
ad-trojan onslaught, be on the lookout for some new adware detection &
removal software I'm working on (when I'm not really working, that is :).
Email addresses have been +munged to make things hard on spammers. These messages are otherwise un-edited (e.g. any spelling bugs present in the originals are present here). And for the last time, No, you cannot have a copy of CXMAILBOT! :)